Today’s decision in Gonzales v. Carhart provides yet another moment of clear distinction between mainstream Republican thought and liberal Democrat extremism. Republican candidates across the board express agreement with the Supreme Court’s recognition that government can restrict abortions based on the stage of pregnancy during which the procedure is sought.
Democrat leaders labeled the decision as a “an alarming willingness on the part of the conservative majority to disregard its prior rulings” (Obama); as an “erosion of our constitutional rights” (H. Clinton); or, as an “an ill-considered and sweeping prohibition” (John Edwards), who took a moment from his campaign of class warfare to opine).
Regardless of one’s position on Roe v. Wade, what is the basis for finding a right to a partial birth abortion? It isn’t mentioned in the Constitution, implicitly or explicitly. It doesn’t arise from any statute or common law that predates 1973. A legally cognizable right to an abortion was created 34 years ago by the United States Supreme Court.
Since abortion rights arise from Roe v. Wade they are defined by Roe v. Wade. Even the Roe court recognized that there is no unlimited right to abortion on demand at any stage of the pregnancy. “[A]ppellant and some amici argue that the woman's right is absolute and that she is entitled to terminate her pregnancy at whatever time, in whatever way, and for whatever reason she alone chooses. With this we do not agree”. Only paragraphs later, the Roe court went even further to circumscribe the limits of abortion choice. “We, therefore, conclude that the right of personal privacy includes the abortion decision, but that this right is not unqualified and must be considered against important state interests in regulation.”
By any measure of human conduct, partial birth abortion is a particularly grisly form of infanticide. Overwhelming majorities of the population oppose the practice. Partial birth abortion bans have passed the states and Congress by large bi-partisan majorities.
Yet, even a restriction on the barbaric practice of partial birth abortion is viewed as a devastating attack on some fundamental right of personal privacy, notwithstanding the complete lack of any legal, historical or moral basis for the charge by a Democratic mainstream. The Democrats are deep in the grips the most anti-human; morally impaired and historically non sequitur ideology that has ever driven the left wing in this country. Now that is radical.
Worse yet, it’s the very same libs who empower government workers to drug test pregnant women and then charge users with child abuse for using meth while pregnant. So the liberal thinks it’s a crime to expose a fetus to meth but they’re O.K. with inducing labor, puncturing its skull and sucking out its brain? Go figure.
Democrat leaders labeled the decision as a “an alarming willingness on the part of the conservative majority to disregard its prior rulings” (Obama); as an “erosion of our constitutional rights” (H. Clinton); or, as an “an ill-considered and sweeping prohibition” (John Edwards), who took a moment from his campaign of class warfare to opine).
Regardless of one’s position on Roe v. Wade, what is the basis for finding a right to a partial birth abortion? It isn’t mentioned in the Constitution, implicitly or explicitly. It doesn’t arise from any statute or common law that predates 1973. A legally cognizable right to an abortion was created 34 years ago by the United States Supreme Court.
Since abortion rights arise from Roe v. Wade they are defined by Roe v. Wade. Even the Roe court recognized that there is no unlimited right to abortion on demand at any stage of the pregnancy. “[A]ppellant and some amici argue that the woman's right is absolute and that she is entitled to terminate her pregnancy at whatever time, in whatever way, and for whatever reason she alone chooses. With this we do not agree”. Only paragraphs later, the Roe court went even further to circumscribe the limits of abortion choice. “We, therefore, conclude that the right of personal privacy includes the abortion decision, but that this right is not unqualified and must be considered against important state interests in regulation.”
By any measure of human conduct, partial birth abortion is a particularly grisly form of infanticide. Overwhelming majorities of the population oppose the practice. Partial birth abortion bans have passed the states and Congress by large bi-partisan majorities.
Yet, even a restriction on the barbaric practice of partial birth abortion is viewed as a devastating attack on some fundamental right of personal privacy, notwithstanding the complete lack of any legal, historical or moral basis for the charge by a Democratic mainstream. The Democrats are deep in the grips the most anti-human; morally impaired and historically non sequitur ideology that has ever driven the left wing in this country. Now that is radical.
Worse yet, it’s the very same libs who empower government workers to drug test pregnant women and then charge users with child abuse for using meth while pregnant. So the liberal thinks it’s a crime to expose a fetus to meth but they’re O.K. with inducing labor, puncturing its skull and sucking out its brain? Go figure.
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You were too gentle in describing the partial birth procedure. Very gentle. Here is what they do to preborn infants who are viable to live outside the womb at 8 months gestation.
The procedure at issue involves partially removing the fetus intact from a woman's uterus, then crushing or cutting its skull to complete the abortion.
Abortion opponents say the law will not reduce the number of abortions performed because an alternate method - dismembering the fetus in the uterus - is available and, indeed, much more common.
You would think such an horrific practice would be universally condemned but Hillary Clinton and virtually every Democrat finds this to be a sad day since this practice will end. The differences between Republicans and Democrats are no more stark than over this detestable way to kill an infant.
Ted, you told me eight years ago the far right of our own party had your wrong on this issue and you have proven youself, once again, to be consistent and focused on true evil. I remember our conversation about this issue and I feel you have been vindicated!
Iraq
Excellent post.
I will never in my life understand how any woman, let alone one who has given birth, can believe abortion to be a "right" and a "choice." Mother HRC and Grandma Nancy are disgraceful.
Three months ago the new priest at my parish stood at the pulpit and called Nancy Pelosi, by name, and her ilk the greatest threat to the unborn. Read her statement on today's ruling (http://www.house.gov/pelosi/press/releases/June04/CourtRulingPartial-Birth060204.html). There isn't ONE mention that a child is involved. Makes me so proud that she's "Catholic." The horror.
Sounds like Hawkeyegirl’s church is one of those that needs a visit by IRS.
Anyways, I’m afraid abortion is again an issue that causes the one other D reading this blog to abandon me. I certainly don't feel comfortable telling other people they should not have an abortion. I feel it’s an extremely difficult, personal moral decision a person has to make. I would rather leave judgment on the issue to any higher power we may have to answer to. However, I feel the 100% pro-choice litmus test on the D side is extremely stupid. As long as people keep having kids (and the ultrasound technology keeps getting better), a good portion of our citizenry will have great moral concerns about abortion. And why wouldn’t they, we are talking about human life after all. Thus, no matter what my personal beliefs are, it seems to me that we as a society have every right to enact some restrictions on the procedure. If D’s took the B. Clinton rhetoric on abortion (safe, legal & rare) and accepted some reasonable restrictions, we could pretty much take the whole issue off the table. I’m not buying the argument that if we accept some restrictions (which I assume are reality in most states anyway), soon all abortions will be banned. Even South Dakota did not go for that.
RF,
I normally appreciate your views but if you're actually defending the most heinous form of abortion I will have to revise my formerly high opinion of you.
How can you defend the delivery of a baby (90% out of the body) followed by the sucking of the brain with a vacuum while the baby's legs contort for all to see? This is worse than anything imaginable in Saddam's prisons or from a horror movie as this is real life and there can be no excuse to do it at that late stage.
ken
iraq
Off subject...but it's nice to see someone voted 174 times for Duncan Hunter in your Presidential poll. Me thinks someone has too much time on their hands...
Ken,
I admit my view on this is fluid and continuously evolving.
On the idealistic, purely ideological level my approach to abortion is that to have and/or perform an abortion is a personal moral decision. Kind of a personal responsibility thing. A relatively conservative/R concept. From that perspective, you could call me pro-choice. But to be honest, I don’t know how any reasonable person’s morals would be ok with partial birth abortion. Of course, as a non-medical person I don’t know all the possible circumstances and scenarios where one would consider the option.
I do realize the majority of the people in this country may want to have some restrictions on abortion. As I believe this is the case in our society, I feel restrictions on abortion are ok. After all, we are a democracy and majority rules. And if we want to have any restrictions, I would think ban on partial birth abortion would be one of the first reasonable restrictions we could and should consider. It really seems like one of the most gruesome procedures one could ever imagine. I tend to agree with my pro-choice D female friend who said that she feels future generations will consider us barbaric for performing all these abortions. - From this perspective, the 100% pro-choice litmus test folks would probably call me pro-life.
My feeling is that as a country we should be somewhere in the middle on the abortion issue. I am very uncomfortable with the 100% pro-choice stand of no restrictions on abortion. But I am just as uncomfortable with the militants on the other side who are opposed to absolutely all abortions (rape, incest, health of the mother), emergency contraceptives (and even other contraceptives), teaching sexuality, using extra fertility clinic embryos for scientific research (but willing to throw them in the trash), etc.
RF,
I knew you were a reasonable person and thanks for responding. I believe the Democratic Party has clearly demonstrated how out of step they are with statements from Edwards, Obama, and Clinton affirming this most destestable of abortion practices. Obama was the real surprise in this bunch as he is demonstrating his stances will be far left of the country's when you include his views on partial birth abortion and even Don Imus.
I don't fall for the rest of the argument that many liberals use involving clinics, education, research, welfare and other blah blah blah excuses they love to give. If 1,000 women a year died from botched self abortions and most turned out to be homeless drug users is that really worse than 1,000,000 abortions on demand with probably that many medical mistakes costing lives and infertility? This isn't necessarily and orange & apples debate considering the main fall back position for pro abortionists usually involve back alley abortion scenarios. My point is quite simply the horror of such times pale in comparison to what we experience today.
Ken
Why are you guys discussing an important political issue when you could be calling each other insulting names like they do on Krusty and the Cooler?
I think the "health of the mother" exception would draw less opposition if the legal standard were lowered.
This, like partial birth abortion, is an issue about which I knew nothing when I got into politics (I always thought late term abortions were already illegal). Many if not most people probably feel that you ought not have to risk your life for another, although it kind of runs against the maternal instinct to sacrifice one's baby for one's self, but that isn't the standard.
Things as trivial as potential psychological damage from the birth currently fit within the health exception. Its that whole I can kill you because I might feel bad mentality that trivializes the magnatude of the decision ot have an abortion, the fetal life, and frankly those women who really might be likely to die or suffer serious physical harmfrom pregnancy.
I also think the lifers (cause, believe it or not, i rarely express a personal opinion because i want to be the ringmaster of the biggest tent possible and one issue can't divide us) have a strong argument in the culture of life position. While we educated and calm men understand the legal/moral distinction between a legal partial birth abortion on day 279 and first degree murder i minute after natural birth the f***ed up little 16 year old girl can't always draw such fine intellectual and moral distinctions.
This is the hardest issue for Republicans because it runs against our almost uniform generally libertarian instincts.
rf........and another thing,
i grew up in a Democrat machine political household-as Kenny knows-so i've seen both sides of the coin up close.
five minutes into one of my Republican conventions and you'd join up in heartbeat. you are so much more like us than the modern d's. we are much much more the party of free and open debate.
i think you'd be shocked at the extent of the anti big business talk you hear also.
plus you might find a financial market for some of your brighter environmental ideas. its another thing where w gets no credit but they're giving away tons of federal money for shit like windmills, geothermal, etc... for the life of me i don't know why we don't put the dogma aside and get the state on board with being a biotech/renewable boom state. jesus, unbelievable opportunity is staring us in the eye.
1) It's a fetus, not a baby. Big difference.
2) A majority of Americans and a significant majority of Iowans are pro-choice. So, being pro-choice is being in the mainstream. You are not.
6:15:
1. That's your opinion.
2. The discussion is not over abortion in total, but rather over PBA/D&X. Try to keep up.
1. When expecting, we never talked about a fetus. Not even in the first trimester.
2. Where do we draw the line between pro-choice and pro-life? I suspect the militants on both sides are in minority. The folks in the middle are surely the majority.
Sporer,
Sorry, but I'm not ready to jump over the fence - at least not yet.
I have to admit I have gained a lot more respect for you R's since I really started to listen to you and try to understand how you think. It has also helped me see more clearly the blind partisanship on my own side. In today's highly partisan atmosphere, it is extremely difficult to maintain intellectual honesty (as you may have noticed, that's a big deal for me).
For me, the biggest attraction on your side would probably be the hot R women I've been hearing about... ;)
I agree with you on the energy stuff. No reason for stupid partisanship there.
I assume you also applaud our good friend Al Gore for putting his money where his mouth is and making tons of money (at least so I hear) by investing in new enviro technologies.
As mentioned within this blog, Ted was savagely attacked by a wing of the Polk County Republicans for years over this issue. Ted has been steadfast in his defense that Partial Birth and government subsidized abortion on demand are evil. For those a little further on the Right who see all abortion as murder Ted was considered an outsider unworthy of support. Yet, Ted convinced me, and most of those voting that night for his first chairmanship, that the real battle is over the center and not the lunatic fringe. Ted has been vindicated but the real lesson here is Obama, Hillary, and Edwards are part of the lunatic fringe to the LEFT since they staunchly defended this most extreme view of abortion. I am really surprised they did this considering there is just no rational reason to do this form of abortion.
Oh, and for the poster stating most of America is Pro-Choice he or she is spreading false propagand and probably drinking cool aid with the rest of the Leftist Lunatic Fringe.
Ken
Ken,
Check out nonpartisan poll after nonpartisan poll after nonpartisan poll after nonpartisan poll in this report.
It is the truth. America is pro-choice.
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Alex,
Have you considered getting some professional help? They have wonderful new treatments that should stop the voices causing you so much confusion. If only the Unibomber had been given this such timely advice a great many tragedies could have been avoided.
Ken
What I wouldn't do for an edit feature on this blog!
Ken
To not to forget why I’m a D, all I needed was to open the paper this morning. Romney wanting to get rid of the “death tax”. I remember Rudy was preaching the same stuff when he came to Iowa.
So, with our current dire fiscal situation, the boomer fiscal bomb ticking, and a couple of actual wars and WOT going on, getting rid of the estate tax is a high priority?!? We really need to take care of a lot of issues before we take on this “injustice.” Especially when the Farm Bureau folks are unable to produce a single family farm “lost” due to the tax. Talk about stupid pandering and twisted priorities. I’m 100% with the socialist icon Warren Buffett on this one.
Also, it is much nicer to be the “reasonable guy” on the other side than Hagel (the apparently evil guy) on your side. It’s funny how that works, on both sides of the aisle. We love the moderates and mavericks of the other side, but hate our own RINOs and DINOs.
rf,
I read the DSM Register online and I noticed we have another headline showing the folly of progressive taxation as our revenues are decreasing now.
We used to have a billion dollar surplus but then a train wreck hit us named Tom Vilsack.
It will be interesting to see what this number looks like in a couple of years after all the democrat tax increases slog their way through the Iowa economy and slows it all down.
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The state's seasonally adjusted unemployment rate fell to 3.2 percent in March from 3.3 percent in February, while nonfarm employment climbed to a new record of 1,519,000.
Iowa's jobless rate stood at 3.9 percent for the same period one year ago.
In more economic news released today, 3.2 million factory (union) jobs have been lost since 2000. Those jobs are moving to Mexico, China and elsewhere (no unions).
84% of Americans work in the very broad service sector, up from 81% since 2000. This sector added almost 9 million jobs since then.
So, what has your union done for you lately?
Why are the D's so beholden to this special interest group? They represent a very very small portion of the electorate.
They owe them big for all the campaign contributions. They also want to get all that extra union dues money that gutting right to work will give them.
Fee money and free workers, paid for by you and me to work for them.
It's also why they have gone to war with walmart. they desperately need more union workers. desperately.
NEW YORK (AP) - Wall Street bounded higher Friday, hurtling the Dow Jones industrial average to a record close approaching 13,000 as investors celebrated a week of surprisingly strong earnings reports.
The major indexes all had their third straight winning week, their longest such streak since October.
Looks like those bush tax cuts really work, just like the reagan tax cuts worked and the kennedy, as in President Kennedy's tax cuts worked.
everytime a publicly traded company makes money, my retirement income goes up.
Thank god for profits! those profits result in a bigger retirement income than social security provides. I couldn't live without you.
I wish we could come up with a DNA test for the economy and economic policies - to track what causes what. It must be one of the most blatant areas for wishful partisan thinking. If my guy is in the White House and times are good, it's all thanks to the prez. If things are not so good, the prez really has no control over it or it's the predecessor's (or someone else's) fault. Or I just choose the indicators that appear positive, ignoring all other evidence. Both R's and D's (myself included) do this all the time.
You can't tax your way to prosperty and you can't overcharge segments of the society or they will adapt. The only fair system is a pay as go fair or flat tax system.
Alex is a piece of work and truthfully I have more respect for that Iranian wingnut than this misfit.
Actually the prez can mostly hurt the economy (Carter) but the health of the economy is a norm in America.
Most are like Bill Clinton-himself a big time free trader and small time probusiness D to start with, for example. After the 94 failures culiminating in the GOP congressional landslide Bubba never again attempted to interfere in the economy-and other than socialized medicine he wasn't very different fron GHW Bush to begin with. He signed the modest mid90s stimulus packages, pumped a little money into the wave of prosperty that began in 92 and rode it for 7 years. When the economy began to slow in 99, Bubba did nothing (didn't even submit complete budgets the last two years)and we sank into a short shallow recession when the cycle reached its natural conlusion. This is the typicial president and most, like Clinton, preside over prosperous times-altough the birth of the info age made Clinton's luck a little better than most. Clinton did a little to help the economy, very little to hurt it, and coasted.
W followed the tried and true strategy for solving recessinos and pumped the economy in 01 and big time in 03 and now we're off on another huge economic boom cycle that will probably survive into the next administration. Same as Kennedy, same as FDR same as Reagan.
Bush I, Johnson and Truman were very much economic status quo Presidents, like Clinton. Just did a little of this, little of that and let the economy roll on its own wherever it may go.
Hoover (or Congress for him), and, far more directly, Carter, interfered in the wrong direction and made natural downturns even worse. Nixon's economic policies were schizophrenic so its hard to say what the hell went on his mind or the overall effect on a transitional economy.
Its the history professor in me fellas, sorry.
Remember we were very prosperous in the 50s, 60s, 80s, 90s and now.
We ain't perfect but its a lot better here than anywhere else at any time in history.
Carter is looking like a genius prez after W's catastrophic tenure. I'm so glad Jimmy got to see his stock rise in such a dramatic fashion in his own lifetime. ;)
So Sporer, what did Jimmy do to you for you to hate him so passionately? And history prof, how about the world economy and its affect on the US economy in late 70's? Talk about shitty circumstances for a prez - and everyone else.
We had 150 show up for our Parental Alienation Awareness rally at the Civic Center yesterday. Alec Baldwin may be a wingnut politically but what pushed his angry phone call to his daughter had a lot to do with six years of denied visitations. This is a bigger issue than politicians seem to realize. The only party with any sympathy seems to be the Republican Party as the Democratic Party just passed a bill to REQUIRE the father to pay for the MOTHERS attorney bills in all matters regarding custody/visitation.
On another note, John McCain apologized to father's rights activist Tony Taylor for his "tar baby" comment of last month when they ran into each other at the Lincoln Dinner. John McCain also gets brownie points for being on target with the situation in Iraq.
Ken
Baghdad
You can't say the economy is great while the National Debt continues to soar. I mean, c'mon. You guys complain about a supposed "shell game" going on with the tobacco tax.
Where's the outrage? You demand balanced budgets in Iowa. Why not nationally?
12:05,
Hmmmmm..... Old I am, history lesson I give you......
In all my years, never have I seen a democratic balanced budget..... NEVER I say....
The GOP ousted the dems in 1994 and passed one up to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.... You know the one Clinton tries to take credit for.....
Hmmmm.... Before you can understand the ways of the Red Side of the Force... You must unlearn what you have "learned".....
Yoda is so right.
US President Tim Kalemkarian, US House Tim Kalemkarian, US Senate Tim Kalemkarian: best major candidate.
I think Alex not only mixes his meds but also mistakenly believes we are fooled by his anonymous posting.
Punch Drunk Crazy is still Crazy no matter how anonymous.
and rf, of course they'll run away from george w bush. that's all you guys have. promote hatred of bush.
hell, matthews just said while i typedt the first paragraph. maybe i'm wrong.
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