………… ‘cause the Dems are getting a pass and its time to stop it. One of our visitors prompted me to re-read Roe v. Wade last night. A Democrat who frequents the Real Sporer claimed that Democrats don’t think abortion is a good thing.
While partially true, all Democrats don’t think abortion is a good thing, it is contextually incorrect because the promotion of abortion is an integral part of Democrat political philosophy. So integral, in fact, that you cannot hold a differing opinion and participate in Democrat politics.
However one feels about Roe v. Wade, at best an oddly decided case, it is the law. Particularly in state and local elections there really isn’t any reason to fight over Roe v. Wade because only U.S. Senators and the President have any influence over this particular law.
But Democrats go so far beyond Roe that it is clear they don’t merely want to allow women and girls to obtain abortions, they want to encourage, promote and facilitate the most anti-maternal of actions. Think about it, Democrats support:
Publicly financed abortions. Nothing in Roe requires my tax money to pay for abortions. It’s a self actualizing right; a woman merely needs to finds someone to perform an elective medical service, like a nose job or breast augmentation. While a woman may have a right to an abortion she doesn’t have the right to my money to pay for it. If the Democrats truly oppose the practice why is public funding of it so important to them?
Late term abortions. Think of the fight that Dems put up to prevent any restrictions on partial birth abortion and other late term abortions? Need I say more? Nothing in Roe requires or really event permits this infanticide yet Democrats claim that the restrictions on late term abortions deny a woman’s autonomy?
Juvenile abortions. I know it’s a cliché, but it is because it’s true. Try going to the plastic surgeon and getting your nose done without parental consent if you’re under 18 and see what happens. Democrats not only oppose parental consent, they oppose parental notifications. Why, because an adult may point their child in a different direction that the terror induced feelings of a 15 year old in her search for the easy way out?
Waiting periods. Nothing in Roe prohibits a woman from having to wait 24-48 hours before obtaining an abortion yet Democrats block waiting periods. It’s at least as big of a decision as buying a shotgun isn’t it? It appears that Democrats fear that a woman, or a scared to death teenager more likely, might have second thoughts and refrain from the act that Democrats think is bad.
Counseling. I just re-read Roe, really. Boring reading to be sure but I cannot find any language that would prohibit the government from delaying an abortion while counseling. If Democrats think abortion is bad or evil why don’t they want women who are contemplating the bad act informed about the medical and psychological problems associated with it? Perhaps because it might cause them to make a different choice?
With opponent's like the Democrats why would the pro-abortion crowd ever need supporters? Maybe that’s why Planned Parenthood’s ‘I HAD AN ABORTION’ T-shirts sales at the 2004 Democrat National Convention were so successful?
While partially true, all Democrats don’t think abortion is a good thing, it is contextually incorrect because the promotion of abortion is an integral part of Democrat political philosophy. So integral, in fact, that you cannot hold a differing opinion and participate in Democrat politics.
However one feels about Roe v. Wade, at best an oddly decided case, it is the law. Particularly in state and local elections there really isn’t any reason to fight over Roe v. Wade because only U.S. Senators and the President have any influence over this particular law.
But Democrats go so far beyond Roe that it is clear they don’t merely want to allow women and girls to obtain abortions, they want to encourage, promote and facilitate the most anti-maternal of actions. Think about it, Democrats support:
Publicly financed abortions. Nothing in Roe requires my tax money to pay for abortions. It’s a self actualizing right; a woman merely needs to finds someone to perform an elective medical service, like a nose job or breast augmentation. While a woman may have a right to an abortion she doesn’t have the right to my money to pay for it. If the Democrats truly oppose the practice why is public funding of it so important to them?
Late term abortions. Think of the fight that Dems put up to prevent any restrictions on partial birth abortion and other late term abortions? Need I say more? Nothing in Roe requires or really event permits this infanticide yet Democrats claim that the restrictions on late term abortions deny a woman’s autonomy?
Juvenile abortions. I know it’s a cliché, but it is because it’s true. Try going to the plastic surgeon and getting your nose done without parental consent if you’re under 18 and see what happens. Democrats not only oppose parental consent, they oppose parental notifications. Why, because an adult may point their child in a different direction that the terror induced feelings of a 15 year old in her search for the easy way out?
Waiting periods. Nothing in Roe prohibits a woman from having to wait 24-48 hours before obtaining an abortion yet Democrats block waiting periods. It’s at least as big of a decision as buying a shotgun isn’t it? It appears that Democrats fear that a woman, or a scared to death teenager more likely, might have second thoughts and refrain from the act that Democrats think is bad.
Counseling. I just re-read Roe, really. Boring reading to be sure but I cannot find any language that would prohibit the government from delaying an abortion while counseling. If Democrats think abortion is bad or evil why don’t they want women who are contemplating the bad act informed about the medical and psychological problems associated with it? Perhaps because it might cause them to make a different choice?
With opponent's like the Democrats why would the pro-abortion crowd ever need supporters? Maybe that’s why Planned Parenthood’s ‘I HAD AN ABORTION’ T-shirts sales at the 2004 Democrat National Convention were so successful?
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Ted, you are absolutely correct. Democrats are not merely pro-choice, they're pro-abortion. If they were merely pro-choice they would have no objections to these common sense arguments.
Democrats rejoice at every abortion and the elected ones depend on the funding from the abortion industry to win elections.
In my previous posts on both R and D blogs I’ve made it pretty clear I’m more with Sporer on this one than my militant 100% pro-choice litmus test D’s. But, a couple of points.
First of all, I hate the way my party has made 100% pro-choice record a litmus test for its candidates. Our candidates should not have to run like they were up for a seat on the Planned Parenthood board. However, the 100% anti-abortion crowd on the R side is just as powerful in the R party and just as unforgiving of “misguided” members of your party. I suspect a majority of both parties is somewhere on the middle ground Sporer apparently advocates. But both extreme wings on this issue benefit from keeping the issue alive and demanding purity from its side.
“Democrats rejoice at every abortion.” – This is just typical demonizing of your opposition. Trust me, I know plenty of D’s, and I have never encountered anyone who feels this way. The “I had an abortion” shirts were surely not created to “rejoice” the difficult choice the women had made in the past.
rf - in regard to your two points.
Guiliani? Romney? Both were and one still is pro-choice. They ran as and are republicans. Guiliani is in the lead by a fairly big margin now nationally. Romney just took the lead in Iowa. We are concerned about their position, but we do not prvent them from speaking or running.
We believe in changing hearts and minds of men. In the case of Romney, apparently that conversion took place in his heart and mind.
Secondly, Just exactly what would be a reason to wear a T shirt that says "I HAD AN ABORTION"?
Can you tell us one prominent democrat that is NOT pro-choice?
It’s not like Giuliani and even converted Romney have been welcomed with open arms on this issue. I believe the reaction to these candidates proves my point. But obviously you have a point as well.
Regarding the shirts. If I remember the story right, the point of the shirts was to point out that many women, regardless of their current “status” in life, have had to grapple with the difficult choice in their lives. The shirt was a way for those women who opted to have an abortion to admit & acknowledge that fact. I doubt many of the women were “rejoicing” when divulging this fact about their past.
Sorry, I do not keep track of people’s pro-choice and pro-life stands as I don’t base my judgment of politicians on the issue. I do believe Harry Reid (pretty high in the official D pecking order) is considered pro-life, and I know several of the ’06 D candidates were supposed to be pro-life as well.
Harry Reid is pro-life like I'm sweet. I can say it 'til the cows come home but its my actions that count. Harry Reid votes to support and enable the very bizarre ultra pro-abortion policies of the rest of the Democrat leadership. I wonder how the Bishop thinks that squares with Catholic theology?
The difference is Rs don't make it a litmus test for participation at a high level, Dems do. While our "choice" wing doesn't define the R abortion policy, they are still accepted and promoted within the party.
The Ds simply purge or muzzle their pro-life members. Remember Bob Casey? He wasn't speaking on abortion and still was silenced.
Go to convention and try and amend the platform to say, oppose any public funding of abortion. See what happens to you.
Dude, you are would be so much more at home across the aisle with the New Republicans. Hell we aren't perfect, the difference is we know it. Thats why we have so much dissension, we allow and encourage expressions of opinion.
Noneed, the parties are right here.
http://press.arrivenet.com/notforprofit/article.php/112974.html
If abortion were the only issue I might be in more agreement with Republicans than Democrats. However, it is not. It is not even one of the top 10 issues. It is many of these issues that Republicans are wrong on that help create the situations that cause abortions... tax cuts for the wealthy, huge deficits, cutting programs that help people get out of poverty, policies that attack education at all levels, and a health care system that fails to serve too many people. Fix those problems and abortions will go down.
Noneed-you are in denial. The pro-abortion mentality isn't a majority in the Democrat party, but it has a wildly disproportionate impact on almost complete control over the D agenda.
Democrats filibustered to support Bill Clinton's veto of the partial birth abortion ban. Now there are all kinds of legal sophistry over language but at the end of the day you, me, rf, waxwing all think there should be damn few situations in which partial birth is acceptable-virtually none because there is no reason to induce a healthy baby. The science has changed a lot. C sections are safe and routine.
Yet, Democrats filibustered to prevent the prohibition against doing it. That is one of those just horrific moral acts-because their just is no comparable offsetting benefit to an individual or society that outweighs the killing of a fully formed human baby on the 269th day of pregnancy. But over 40 Dems supported a filibuster over it.
"Hell we aren't perfect, the difference is we know it."
Sporer - This is hard to believe when reading your posts. Your rhetoric indicates you think R's are more or less perfect and we D's are pretty much pure evil. Try to take an objective read of your own writings.
No need, dude, be serious.
Deficits. You do understand that deficits are only significant as they represent a percentage of GDP. It is much lower percentage of GDP than it was throughout the Carter-Newt years. Newt balanced the budget and Bubba was smart enough to sign it. NOw the deficit is shrinking dramatically, less than half of what was projected for the current FY. Them's the facts.
We'll have a deficit debate. Having now seen both Republicans and Dems control Congress in my life I'd have to say both spend like crazy-that's how you control Congress for a long time. We have proven to be only a little better, and we did at least balance it once.
Tax cuts for the rich?? Again, aside from the obvious that those who pay taxes should get the tax relief, the relative share of the tax burden paid by those at the top is higher, and those at the bottom lower, than it was when W took office.
Almost every D social program has proven to be a failure, certainly those in the last 25 years. Dems run the schools and are destroying public education in this country.
LBJ said that we'd have the best schools in the world when he got the feds in volveved in education. Well, we already had the best schools and now they suck, although our per capita student spending has increased dramatically.
Its reality fellas.
Also, nice how Sporer dismisses Reid's pro-life stance. I guess only R's can be pro-life the right way. The much-touted big tent does not seem so roomy after all. Or does the tent say "R's only"?
If Rudy becomes the R nominee, it will be interesting to see if Catholic leaders/pro-life activists treat him the same way they treated Kerry. We would see if they are principled or just partisan hacks.
Mr. Sporer, you make a lot of claims about scared pregnant teenagers. How many scared pregnant teenagers have you known? Did you discourage them from "taking the easy way out"? Do you support universal access to prenatal care and child care?
Incidentally, if you knew anything about the issue of parental notification and/or consent, you would understand that it is FAR more common for parents to drag a pregnant teenager into a clinic demanding that she get an abortion than it is for parents to seek legal action to prevent their teenage daughter from choosing to terminate a pregnancy.
I know people who work for Planned Parenthood. They regularly get parents demanding that staff perform abortions on teenagers who want to continue the pregnancy. Of course, Planned Parenthood refuses to do anything against the wishes of the pregnant woman.
You can't walk into a clinic and get an abortion right there and then. Planned Parenthood has its own counseling procedure, and abortions are scheduled for a different day, if that is the woman's choice. Lots of women fail to show up for the abortion they scheduled. Planned Parenthood makes no effort to urge women to have abortions.
In fact, Planned Parenthood's main clinic in Des Moines also provides prenatal care for women who continue their pregnancies and an adoption referral office.
Your fantasy world about Democrats cheering on abortion and pressuring girls and women to choose this procedure is laughable.
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