Good! Obama is about to be paid back for branding everyone who disagreed with him as a racist. Oh, that's right; his proxies said it for him while he feigned concern.
Either way the message was sent and Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro heard it loud and clear. Feminists will write his epitaph on his political tombstone as payback.
Your prognostications should be based on stronger stuff. Doubt she'll get many women's votes but for those men who vote with their manhood she cannot but do well.
I bet you conservatives would consider her the complete package if she only had a penis.
Did you see her interview with Maria Bartiroma on CNBC? She was a guest on Meet the Press today and recounted it. Maria was impressed with Sarah.
Sarah really knows her energy policy. She can run circles around Biden on energy. She reminded us that Biden is part of the problem as to why we are not energy independent.
He was part of the minority that voted against the Alaskan Pipeline that has since produced 100's of millions of gallons of Oil for America.
He was wrong 30 years ago and is still wrong. So much for his "experience"
Sarah has actually lived in the world of energy and knows her topic very well.
She is not an empty pantsuit. She's a solid and astute politician who very much deserves to be where she is on merit.
I love how the democrats have revealed their mysoginist tendenancies right along side their racist tendancies.
Art and the D's in general are clearly mysoginist.
It will be Republicans who elect a woman to the Vice Presidency - not Democrats.
Republicans are ready to elect a woman, but democrats aren't.
You fretted about the police in Denver in a post last week. What you think about the FBI arresting everyone in sight in Minnesota?
"So here we have a massive assault led by Federal Government law enforcement agencies on left-wing dissidents and protesters who have committed no acts of violence or illegality whatsoever, preceded by months-long espionage efforts to track what they do. And as extraordinary as that conduct is, more extraordinary is the fact that they have received virtually no attention from the national media and little outcry from anyone."
"Beyond that, there is a widespread sense that the targets of these raids deserve what they get, even if nothing they've done is remotely illegal. We love to proclaim how much we cherish our "freedoms" in the abstract, but we despise those who actually exercise them. The Constitution, right in the very First Amendment, protects free speech and free assembly precisely because those liberties are central to a healthy republic -- but we've decided that anyone who would actually express truly dissident views or do anything other than sit meekly and quietly in their homes are dirty trouble-makers up to no good, and it's therefore probably for the best if our Government keeps them in check, spies on them, even gets a little rough with them."
Remember the Olympics and how Red China treated protestors?
"During the Olympics just weeks ago, there was endless hand-wringing over the efforts by the Chinese Government to squelch dissent and incarcerate protesters. . . . Yet how is our own Government's behavior in Minnesota any different than what the Chinese did to its protesters during the Olympics (other than the fact that we actually have a Constitution that prohibits such behavior)? And where are all the self-righteous Freedom Crusaders in our nation's establishment organs who were so flamboyantly criticizing the actions of a Government on the other side of the globe as our own Government engages in the same tyrannical, protest-squelching conduct with exactly the same motives?"
In the Linux console, if you enter the following commands, you can learn the secrets of a political dirty trick. First, look up the host of ‘sarahpalingayrights.com’ to get the site’s IP address.
Spotlight, I just watched that video. It displays a routine traffic stop, which is very much unlike arresting reporters with legitimate press credentials for video taping people in a public place from a public place.
I don't know if you've ever been to one of these big political events but law enforcement, of every kind, are everywhere so the presence of all of those police cars isn't particularly significant.
However, I would deplore the oppression of anyone's legitmate speech rights, even you dangerously misguided liberals.
As for government spys in radical groups, that law enforcement practice is as old as government itself. That isn't political although there are more crazy and dangerous left wingers than right wingers, those crazy ass militia's and KKK bands are constantly infiltrated by law enforcement. How does that violate legitimate speech rights?
"But it was when I looked up her biography after the meeting that I learned one of the most salient facts about Sarah Palin.
She knew she was bearing a Down syndrome child but refused to have an abortion.
While I am personally pro-choice, pro-choice means just that, the right to choose to have or not to have an abortion.
My head bows to the integrity, guts and courage it takes to embark knowingly on such a life challenge because of one's personal belief in the sanctity of life.
When we look at McCain's loving adoption of a child from a Bangladeshi orphanage run by Mother Teresa and Palin's knowing birth of a handicapped baby, we see a quality of character on this ticket worthy of the White House.
Let me get this straight, Sporer. You are defending the action of busting into residential units on the weekend before the convention as a way to intimidate people?
That's what is happening.
They are seizing property and brandishing weapons to warn against free speech.
I expect you to condemn it on the front page of your blog if you have any integrity.
On second thought, I guess that means you won't condemn it. You only do things that make Republicans look good.
"As many of you know, a number of police raids have occurred over the weekend. On Friday night, a Convergence Center on St Paul’s West Side was raided, items confiscated and the building boarded on the authority of Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher. On Saturday morning, at least 3 houses in Minneapolis and at least 2 in St Paul were also raided, also on the authority of Bob Fletcher.
Various people driving or bicycling down public streets or roads have been stopped and detained.
Only 6 arrests were made in these raids, and those individuals held on very questionable grounds (no charges have been made so far). There have been a very large number of others briefly held, however. At the Convergence Center Friday night, for example, Ramsey County deputies kicked in doors and entered with weapons drawn, and about 70 people were held face-down and handcuffed on the floor for several hours. No arrests were made there."
Maybe you should do a little more research and make a point other than that police are investigating large groups of people. Any chance they had info on that group and wanted to send a message to the group? Surely you jest!
Anyway, back to real news....Geraldine Ferraro does not sound supportive of Obama in this interview.
Meanwhile, Obama's pastor for 20 yrs is back in the news.
Race card? Mmm?
From NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones HOUSTON, Texas — The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama’s controversial former pastor, reappeared here Sunday.
Wrights spoke glowingly of Obama while preaching at Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church … Jeremiah Wright, “This ordinary boy just might be the first president in the history of the United States to have a black woman sleeping at 1600 Pennsylvania, legally.”
It seems he is out raising McCain 8 to 1 among deployed troops. Must mean Obama has the confidence of our Military, of which I am a veteran.
As for Ted "Westboro Baptist" Sporer, I believe that there is an equal problem with Right Wing extremists as left.
Case in point being the recent murders of "Liberals" and oh yeah, a Fox News' anchors threat on Obama's life.
Honestly I am glad I have crazy militant fascists like Sporerites hating on me and Code-Pink leftist fanatics hating on me, I think I am in the right spot! : )
It is not the job of police to "send a message" to any group. That is just a euphemism for repression. Like China, like Republicans.
If they indeed had investigated, they must have done an exceptionally poor job of it. Search warrants for "bomb making materials" were waved over these victums but no such thing was found. The real goal is clear: intimidation.
Word on the street is that Palin's UN-WED 17 year old daughter is pregnant by someone who looks an awful lot like Barack Obama, hint, hint. That makes her an even more brillant choice, now she can trump Obama and pander to blacks saying "I feel your pain" my daughter is carrying one of you! Damn right use the family to political advantage! All's fair in this one, our future is at stake!
You lefties are nutz! Anyway, a few quick answers. The daddy, ahem, has been identified and unfortunately, for lefties he looks like an all-American football player. Oh, and he is White so enough with the race baiting crap that matters far more to your types than our types. I love liberal morality arguments...it seems sex is not bad rather allowing a child to live is the crime in their eyes. I am sure Satan is very proud of his little Marxists in America.
Any chance the rioting in the streets is from the same group that was raided by the police. Sounds like the police were on to something big. BTW - I did not Conservatives causing property damage or rioting in Denver.
Finally, the story about Obama raising more money than McCain among troops should be kept in perspective because Obama raised $60K and McCain raised $10K. It is very early in the campaign and I am sure the numbers will swing considering the overall military donations are about equal with each getting near 300K. Let us revisit this in a month and check the trend. I am sure McCain will be ahead of Obama by then.
Your constant refrain about how open and accepting conservatives are of blacks is, to put it politely, bullshit.
Liberals use the possibility that the father may be black as a baiting tool to get you conservatives all lathered up. If the father were to turn out to be a young black man we liberals would be far more accepting of the fact than you conservatives, especially the religious zealots.
You and sporie love to proclaim the sanctity of Republicans, historically, in supporting civil rights and freeing the slaves. You know and I know this is bullshit as well. I have pointed out before, but you and sporie defy learning curve theory, that the Dems who opposed the Civil Rights Act were the "Southern Democrats", who were never truly Democrats and are now solidly entrenched in "movement conservative".
It was a bill proposed by Kennedy and supported by Johnson after the assasination:
Richard B. Russell, who told the Senate: "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states." Russell organized 18 Southern Democratic senators in filibustering this bill.
When the House-passed bill arrived in the Senate on February 26, 1964, Majority Leader Mike Mansfield placed it directly on the Senate calendar rather than refer it to the hostile Judiciary Committee. On March 9, when Mansfield moved to take up the measure, southern senators launched a filibuster against the bill. The Senate debated for fifty-seven days, including six Saturdays.
To cut off debate required a two-thirds vote, or sixty-seven senators, and since southern Democrats opposed the legislation, a substantial number of Republican votes would be needed to end the filibuster. Minnesota Senator Hubert Humphrey, the Democratic whip, who managed the bill on the Senate floor, enlisted the aid of the Republican minority leader, Everett M. Dirksen of Illinois. Dirksen, although a longtime supporter of civil rights, had opposed the bill because he objected to certain provisions. Humphrey therefore worked with him to redraft the controversial language and make the bill more acceptable to Republicans. Once the changes were made, Dirksen gained key votes for cloture from his party colleagues with a powerful speech calling racial integration "an idea whose time has come."
The major contribution of Republicans was in supporting cloture and ending the filibuster. Without the Dems there would never have even been a Civil Rights Act of 1964.
It should be noted that among the 6 Republican Senators voting against the bill were, Barry Goldwater (R,AZ) and an obscure name, Bourke Hickenlooper (R,IA).
Hopefully we can put this revisionist history from you conservatives to bed, once and for all.
No doubt Lincoln freed the slaves but the Republican party of Lincoln bears no resemblance to the Republican party of the last 30 years. Lincoln himself would be astounded at what his party has become.
As for Palin's daughter, who cares? Teens have been engaging in premarital sex since long before the time of Christ. It is not a new phenomenon. Jesus, in the Muslim world, premarital sex can get you killed, legally, yet it goes on even there.
It is very early in the campaign..., When exactly does it get late in the campaign? We only have two months left.
Anonymous said... So Ken I see where you condone this out of wedlock stuff then. Boy talk about a double standard.
Tuesday, September 2, 2008 5:47:00 AM CDT
Ken asks Obama who is to blame for 10,000 killed by a tornado in Kansas... said... Point to a post where I talked about out of wedlock sexual relations. Good luck on that one.
OK, where's the post wherein you condemn such activity. You of such moral platitudes, you of such pure Christian heart, you who listens to sermons while posting in here. Where's the condemnation of this? Where is it?
As much as you normally earn the title as the "Amazing Pinhead" it seems anon 9:26 am may have bested you today.
That being the case, I have to agree with Art on the point that sex happens. We are not perfect but I differ with liberals because I do not believe we should kill the infant after sex.
Yet again no condemnation of pre-marital sex. That means Ken condones it folks. At least for conservative Republicans he condones it anyway. I pray for your God to show you what you would be posting if this were the Democratic VP nominee we were talking about.
Am not sure whether you are just to dense to understand or so wrapped up in your religious/political dogma that you don't want to admit it; no one believes that "we should kill the infant after sex". What we believe is that no one other than the women involved should make that decision for her. It is a personal decision not a government or even social one. She and her God will have to reconcile the action and it should be left to them alone.
If she desires to seek counseling before making the decision that's fine. If she desires to speak with her pastor or other religious influence fine too.
It is a complex subject and I, personally, have some misgivings as to the individual freedoms as the pregnancy progresses to later stages but generally it is an individual decision and neither you nor the government should have the right to dictate that decision.
Preach against it. Counsel against it. Condemn it, though inconsistent with Christian dogma. Not a problem. Outlawing it is not an option as I see it.
"What we believe is that no one other than the women involved should make that decision for her"
and
"If she desires to seek counseling before making the decision that's fine."
So murder is okay as long as the person committing it feels comfortable with the decision.
Explain why the pro-abortion crowd is against mandatory ultrasounds? Could it be they do not want women to see and hear the beating heart inside their wombs?
When you frame the argument with inflammatory terms you negate reason. The final determiner is God unless there is no God.
Contrary to your peevish view most women do not entertain abortion in the same manner as shopping for a pair of shoes. It is a difficult decision for them and a painful, emotional, one. We hear stories all the time of women who later second guessed their decision.
THERE IS NO PRO-ABORTION CROWD!!!!
Why should ultrasounds be mandatory? Again, offer them, counsel for their use, but why force them upon a woman struggling with a very emotional decision?
Conservatives love to make arguments focusing on the exceptions. "Most women who have abortions have loose morals and just want to get rid of a mistake". While this occurs "most" is inappropriate. It's akin to Reagan and his "welfare queens driving Cadillacs" crap.
In a perfect world their would be loving caring families to adopt any child, black, white, yellow, green, healthy or disabled, but we don't live in a perfect world. Many disabled children are born into families that have neither the financial nor the emotional capacity to provide for them. The lucky ones get taken away by the state for a really great life and the unlucky ones die or vice versa.
Religious zealotry affords a simple answer. Reality, no such luck.
Anarchist group gathered to talk about ways to disrupt it, including kidnapping delegates, sabotaging air vents at the Xcel Energy Center, blocking bridges and "capturing federal buildings."
An individual by the name of 'Henry' told the action camp group that he was throwing a liquid-filled balloon and that members of the group should stay away from the area ... because it would be very dangerous," the document said. "Henry stated the balloon was filled with a chemical that would be very dangerous and if caught, he would go to jail for a long time.
Puppets to conceal and transport Molotov cocktails, bricks, caltrops (devices used to stop buses and other vehicles), shields and lockboxes, the affidavit said. They also planned to throw marbles under the horses of mounted police to trip the horses.
Pulling a single officer from a police line and beating them, using liquid sprayers filled with urine or chemicals, "unarresting" techniques to free people arrested by police, obtaining fake credentials.
I love hot republican women that are named Sarah, married to guys named Todd, are fmr. city council members, fmr. beauty queens and are pro-life, fiscally conservative, gun toting hockey moms!
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Good! Obama is about to be paid back for branding everyone who disagreed with him as a racist. Oh, that's right; his proxies said it for him while he feigned concern.
Either way the message was sent and Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro heard it loud and clear. Feminists will write his epitaph on his political tombstone as payback.
"The chickens are coming home to roost!"
Well - if McCain wins at least any blowjobs given in the White House will be from a good looking chick.
sporie:
Your prognostications should be based on stronger stuff. Doubt she'll get many women's votes but for those men who vote with their manhood she cannot but do well.
I bet you conservatives would consider her the complete package if she only had a penis.
Wow!!! She is just incredible. I can't get over how excited I am.
I love the music choice. I just went to see the sing along version of Mama Mia yesterday and am chuckling at the 70's reference.
She really did turn the page from the anger of the 60's hippies. She really is the change candidate. It's perfect.
She LIVED pro-life, not just talked about it.
She LIVED the "having it all" as a wife, mother, businesswoman, and was elected to the highest political office in her state (usually a guy world)
She IS and LIVES what the feminists were talking about.
She IS a hunter-fisherman, she LIVES the 2nd amendment. Usually a guy world.
She was the point guard on her state championship basketball team. She IS an all around Sportsman - usually a guy world.
70's girls know the glass ceiling was already broken. Hillary never got that update.
Not only did Team McCain hit it out of the ballpark, they hit a Grand Slammer!
kennie:
Your posts lately appear to raise the prospect that you are suffering PTSD.
Best come home and get treatment.
Did you see her interview with Maria Bartiroma on CNBC? She was a guest on Meet the Press today and recounted it. Maria was impressed with Sarah.
Sarah really knows her energy policy. She can run circles around Biden on energy. She reminded us that Biden is part of the problem as to why we are not energy independent.
He was part of the minority that voted against the Alaskan Pipeline that has since produced 100's of millions of gallons of Oil for America.
He was wrong 30 years ago and is still wrong. So much for his "experience"
Sarah has actually lived in the world of energy and knows her topic very well.
She is not an empty pantsuit. She's a solid and astute politician who very much deserves to be where she is on merit.
I love how the democrats have revealed their mysoginist tendenancies right along side their racist tendancies.
Art and the D's in general are clearly mysoginist.
It will be Republicans who elect a woman to the Vice Presidency - not Democrats.
Republicans are ready to elect a woman, but democrats aren't.
Hillary said so.
Being against drilling in Alaska is anti union. Don't they realize how many high paying union jobs would come along with that?
Democrats have outsourced an entire unionized industry to China, Mexico and Russia.
Those oil jobs could be American jobs. Instead we buy their oil and they have the jobs instead.
We still use the same amount of oil. We just give those other countries the jobs that produce it.
I don't get why union workers vote for democrats. What have they really ever done for them?
Sporer,
You fretted about the police in Denver in a post last week. What you think about the FBI arresting everyone in sight in Minnesota?
"So here we have a massive assault led by Federal Government law enforcement agencies on left-wing dissidents and protesters who have committed no acts of violence or illegality whatsoever, preceded by months-long espionage efforts to track what they do. And as extraordinary as that conduct is, more extraordinary is the fact that they have received virtually no attention from the national media and little outcry from anyone."
Surely Sporer objects!
find the whole story at Salon.com
I bet you have no sympathy, right?
"Beyond that, there is a widespread sense that the targets of these raids deserve what they get, even if nothing they've done is remotely illegal. We love to proclaim how much we cherish our "freedoms" in the abstract, but we despise those who actually exercise them. The Constitution, right in the very First Amendment, protects free speech and free assembly precisely because those liberties are central to a healthy republic -- but we've decided that anyone who would actually express truly dissident views or do anything other than sit meekly and quietly in their homes are dirty trouble-makers up to no good, and it's therefore probably for the best if our Government keeps them in check, spies on them, even gets a little rough with them."
Remember the Olympics and how Red China treated protestors?
"During the Olympics just weeks ago, there was endless hand-wringing over the efforts by the Chinese Government to squelch dissent and incarcerate protesters. . . . Yet how is our own Government's behavior in Minnesota any different than what the Chinese did to its protesters during the Olympics (other than the fact that we actually have a Constitution that prohibits such behavior)? And where are all the self-righteous Freedom Crusaders in our nation's establishment organs who were so flamboyantly criticizing the actions of a Government on the other side of the globe as our own Government engages in the same tyrannical, protest-squelching conduct with exactly the same motives?"
Like i said, I'm quoting Salon.com here:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/index.html
clipped from: littlegreenfootballs.com
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31096_Whos_Behind_Anti-Palin_Smear_Site/comments/#ctop
Interesting. There’s nothing else on the page. This sure looks like the work of the dastardly right-wing anti-gay attack machine, doesn’t it?
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In the Linux console, if you enter the following commands, you can learn the secrets of a political dirty trick. First, look up the host of ‘sarahpalingayrights.com’ to get the site’s IP address.
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host sarahpalingayrights.com
sarahpalingayrights.com has address 74.208.74.232
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232.74.208.74.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer obamadefense.com
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Well, well. “Obamadefense.com,” eh?
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And what happens if you enter obamadefense.com on your browser’s address line?
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Why, you’re redirected to none other than FightTheSmears.com, the official Barack Obama site that’s supposed to be defending him against smears.
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Looks like they may have a second purpose: to generate a few smears of their own.
Spotlight, I just watched that video. It displays a routine traffic stop, which is very much unlike arresting reporters with legitimate press credentials for video taping people in a public place from a public place.
I don't know if you've ever been to one of these big political events but law enforcement, of every kind, are everywhere so the presence of all of those police cars isn't particularly significant.
However, I would deplore the oppression of anyone's legitmate speech rights, even you dangerously misguided liberals.
As for government spys in radical groups, that law enforcement practice is as old as government itself. That isn't political although there are more crazy and dangerous left wingers than right wingers, those crazy ass militia's and KKK bands are constantly infiltrated by law enforcement. How does that violate legitimate speech rights?
Gee Spotlight, you never answer an inquiry about your sides thought process and you give us this??
please tell me what you think about Joe Biden's hair plugs and plaigerism.
tell us how you feel about Joe's idea to partitian Iraq into three countries.
Spotligjt - what is your opinion about all that voter fraud you guys do?
How do you feel about boo hoo's extreme left wing agenda?
How do you feel about voter fraud?
Geez, can't you ever contribute to the dialogue instead of just tossing out non-sequitors?
Why do democrats hate women and half black men who really are african americans?
dick morris had this to say today;
"But it was when I looked up her biography after the meeting that I learned one of the most salient facts about Sarah Palin.
She knew she was bearing a Down syndrome child but refused to have an abortion.
While I am personally pro-choice, pro-choice means just that, the right to choose to have or not to have an abortion.
My head bows to the integrity, guts and courage it takes to embark knowingly on such a life challenge because of one's personal belief in the sanctity of life.
When we look at McCain's loving adoption of a child from a Bangladeshi orphanage run by Mother Teresa and Palin's knowing birth of a handicapped baby, we see a quality of character on this ticket worthy of the White House.
BRAVO!
Let me get this straight, Sporer. You are defending the action of busting into residential units on the weekend before the convention as a way to intimidate people?
That's what is happening.
They are seizing property and brandishing weapons to warn against free speech.
I expect you to condemn it on the front page of your blog if you have any integrity.
On second thought, I guess that means you won't condemn it. You only do things that make Republicans look good.
"As many of you know, a number of police raids have occurred over the weekend. On Friday night, a Convergence Center on St Paul’s West Side was raided, items confiscated and the building boarded on the authority of Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher. On Saturday morning, at least 3 houses in Minneapolis and at least 2 in St Paul were also raided, also on the authority of Bob Fletcher.
Various people driving or bicycling down public streets or roads have been stopped and detained.
Only 6 arrests were made in these raids, and those individuals held on very questionable grounds (no charges have been made so far). There have been a very large number of others briefly held, however. At the Convergence Center Friday night, for example, Ramsey County deputies kicked in doors and entered with weapons drawn, and about 70 people were held face-down and handcuffed on the floor for several hours. No arrests were made there."
Maybe you should do a little more research and make a point other than that police are investigating large groups of people. Any chance they had info on that group and wanted to send a message to the group? Surely you jest!
Anyway, back to real news....Geraldine Ferraro does not sound supportive of Obama in this interview.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2072247/posts
Meanwhile, Obama's pastor for 20 yrs is back in the news.
Race card? Mmm?
From NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones
HOUSTON, Texas — The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama’s controversial former pastor, reappeared here Sunday.
Wrights spoke glowingly of Obama while preaching at Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church
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Jeremiah Wright, “This ordinary boy just might be the first president in the history of the United States to have a black woman sleeping at 1600 Pennsylvania, legally.”
I loved Sarah Palin's exceptance speech!!!
Wonderful!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v59mXowK2t8
Ken:
You seem to espouse alot about Christianity. What church do you attend?
Atta boy anon 10:21, go on the offensive when you have no ability to answer....
BTW - noneyabusiness but rest assured my pastor cares about God more than gay marriage. Since I am in Iraq I listen to sermons with my iPod.
It seems he is out raising McCain 8 to 1 among deployed troops. Must mean Obama has the confidence of our Military, of which I am a veteran.
As for Ted "Westboro Baptist" Sporer, I believe that there is an equal problem with Right Wing extremists as left.
Case in point being the recent murders of "Liberals" and oh yeah, a Fox News' anchors threat on Obama's life.
Honestly I am glad I have crazy militant fascists like Sporerites hating on me and Code-Pink leftist fanatics hating on me, I think I am in the right spot! : )
Ken,
It is not the job of police to "send a message" to any group. That is just a euphemism for repression. Like China, like Republicans.
If they indeed had investigated, they must have done an exceptionally poor job of it. Search warrants for "bomb making materials" were waved over these victums but no such thing was found. The real goal is clear: intimidation.
Word on the street is that Palin's UN-WED 17 year old daughter is pregnant by someone who looks an awful lot like Barack Obama, hint, hint. That makes her an even more brillant choice, now she can trump Obama and pander to blacks saying "I feel your pain" my daughter is carrying one of you! Damn right use the family to political advantage! All's fair in this one, our future is at stake!
You lefties are nutz! Anyway, a few quick answers. The daddy, ahem, has been identified and unfortunately, for lefties he looks like an all-American football player. Oh, and he is White so enough with the race baiting crap that matters far more to your types than our types. I love liberal morality arguments...it seems sex is not bad rather allowing a child to live is the crime in their eyes. I am sure Satan is very proud of his little Marxists in America.
Any chance the rioting in the streets is from the same group that was raided by the police. Sounds like the police were on to something big. BTW - I did not Conservatives causing property damage or rioting in Denver.
Finally, the story about Obama raising more money than McCain among troops should be kept in perspective because Obama raised $60K and McCain raised $10K. It is very early in the campaign and I am sure the numbers will swing considering the overall military donations are about equal with each getting near 300K. Let us revisit this in a month and check the trend. I am sure McCain will be ahead of Obama by then.
So Ken I see where you condone this out of wedlock stuff then. Boy talk about a double standard.
Point to a post where I talked about out of wedlock sexual relations. Good luck on that one.
I care about children being denied fathers by anti-male courts.
Furthermore, I care about the slaughter of unborn children.
kennie:
Your constant refrain about how open and accepting conservatives are of blacks is, to put it politely, bullshit.
Liberals use the possibility that the father may be black as a baiting tool to get you conservatives all lathered up. If the father were to turn out to be a young black man we liberals would be far more accepting of the fact than you conservatives, especially the religious zealots.
You and sporie love to proclaim the sanctity of Republicans, historically, in supporting civil rights and freeing the slaves. You know and I know this is bullshit as well. I have pointed out before, but you and sporie defy learning curve theory, that the Dems who opposed the Civil Rights Act were the "Southern Democrats", who were never truly Democrats and are now solidly entrenched in "movement conservative".
It was a bill proposed by Kennedy and supported by Johnson after the assasination:
Richard B. Russell, who told the Senate: "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states." Russell organized 18 Southern Democratic senators in filibustering this bill.
When the House-passed bill arrived in the Senate on February 26, 1964, Majority Leader Mike Mansfield placed it directly on the Senate calendar rather than refer it to the hostile Judiciary Committee. On March 9, when Mansfield moved to take up the measure, southern senators launched a filibuster against the bill. The Senate debated for fifty-seven days, including six Saturdays.
To cut off debate required a two-thirds vote, or sixty-seven senators, and since southern Democrats opposed the legislation, a substantial number of Republican votes would be needed to end the filibuster. Minnesota Senator Hubert Humphrey, the Democratic whip, who managed the bill on the Senate floor, enlisted the aid of the Republican minority leader, Everett M. Dirksen of Illinois. Dirksen, although a longtime supporter of civil rights, had opposed the bill because he objected to certain provisions. Humphrey therefore worked with him to redraft the controversial language and make the bill more acceptable to Republicans. Once the changes were made, Dirksen gained key votes for cloture from his party colleagues with a powerful speech calling racial integration "an idea whose time has come."
The major contribution of Republicans was in supporting cloture and ending the filibuster. Without the Dems there would never have even been a Civil Rights Act of 1964.
It should be noted that among the 6 Republican Senators voting against the bill were, Barry Goldwater (R,AZ) and an obscure name, Bourke Hickenlooper (R,IA).
Hopefully we can put this revisionist history from you conservatives to bed, once and for all.
No doubt Lincoln freed the slaves but the Republican party of Lincoln bears no resemblance to the Republican party of the last 30 years. Lincoln himself would be astounded at what his party has become.
As for Palin's daughter, who cares? Teens have been engaging in premarital sex since long before the time of Christ. It is not a new phenomenon. Jesus, in the Muslim world, premarital sex can get you killed, legally, yet it goes on even there.
It is very early in the campaign..., When exactly does it get late in the campaign? We only have two months left.
Anonymous said...
So Ken I see where you condone this out of wedlock stuff then. Boy talk about a double standard.
Tuesday, September 2, 2008 5:47:00 AM CDT
Ken asks Obama who is to blame for 10,000 killed by a tornado in Kansas... said...
Point to a post where I talked about out of wedlock sexual relations. Good luck on that one.
OK, where's the post wherein you condemn such activity. You of such moral platitudes, you of such pure Christian heart, you who listens to sermons while posting in here. Where's the condemnation of this? Where is it?
Art,
As much as you normally earn the title as the "Amazing Pinhead" it seems anon 9:26 am may have bested you today.
That being the case, I have to agree with Art on the point that sex happens. We are not perfect but I differ with liberals because I do not believe we should kill the infant after sex.
Yet again no condemnation of pre-marital sex. That means Ken condones it folks. At least for conservative Republicans he condones it anyway. I pray for your God to show you what you would be posting if this were the Democratic VP nominee we were talking about.
kennie:
Am not sure whether you are just to dense to understand or so wrapped up in your religious/political dogma that you don't want to admit it; no one believes that "we should kill the infant after sex". What we believe is that no one other than the women involved should make that decision for her. It is a personal decision not a government or even social one. She and her God will have to reconcile the action and it should be left to them alone.
If she desires to seek counseling before making the decision that's fine. If she desires to speak with her pastor or other religious influence fine too.
It is a complex subject and I, personally, have some misgivings as to the individual freedoms as the pregnancy progresses to later stages but generally it is an individual decision and neither you nor the government should have the right to dictate that decision.
Preach against it. Counsel against it. Condemn it, though inconsistent with Christian dogma. Not a problem. Outlawing it is not an option as I see it.
Art wrote,
"What we believe is that no one other than the women involved should make that decision for her"
and
"If she desires to seek counseling before making the decision that's fine."
So murder is okay as long as the person committing it feels comfortable with the decision.
Explain why the pro-abortion crowd is against mandatory ultrasounds? Could it be they do not want women to see and hear the beating heart inside their wombs?
kennie:
When you frame the argument with inflammatory terms you negate reason. The final determiner is God unless there is no God.
Contrary to your peevish view most women do not entertain abortion in the same manner as shopping for a pair of shoes. It is a difficult decision for them and a painful, emotional, one. We hear stories all the time of women who later second guessed their decision.
THERE IS NO PRO-ABORTION CROWD!!!!
Why should ultrasounds be mandatory? Again, offer them, counsel for their use, but why force them upon a woman struggling with a very emotional decision?
Conservatives love to make arguments focusing on the exceptions. "Most women who have abortions have loose morals and just want to get rid of a mistake". While this occurs "most" is inappropriate. It's akin to Reagan and his "welfare queens driving Cadillacs" crap.
In a perfect world their would be loving caring families to adopt any child, black, white, yellow, green, healthy or disabled, but we don't live in a perfect world. Many disabled children are born into families that have neither the financial nor the emotional capacity to provide for them. The lucky ones get taken away by the state for a really great life and the unlucky ones die or vice versa.
Religious zealotry affords a simple answer. Reality, no such luck.
anonymous:
Why don't you just skip over them?
Phone calls get expensive especially to/from Iraq.
Hopefully you didn't come here looking for substantive subject matter. If so, your mistake.
The presumptive VP nominee is very alluring, I'd like to engage in coitus with her if I was a younger man!
McCain/Eagleton '08
"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."
Joe Vogler
Than guy Vogler is a leading light (sort of like a preacher) of the Alaska First party, that Palin is so fond of.
What goes around, comes around. Time now for you all to excoriate Palin for not denouncing this preacher.
Spotlight, do you have any comments about the urine throwers from the Left that you and Minnesota Democrats wholeheartedly embrace?
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/conventions/27793634.html?page=1&c=y
Here are a few highlights.
Anarchist group gathered to talk about ways to disrupt it, including kidnapping delegates, sabotaging air vents at the Xcel Energy Center, blocking bridges and "capturing federal buildings."
An individual by the name of 'Henry' told the action camp group that he was throwing a liquid-filled balloon and that members of the group should stay away from the area ... because it would be very dangerous," the document said. "Henry stated the balloon was filled with a chemical that would be very dangerous and if caught, he would go to jail for a long time.
Puppets to conceal and transport Molotov cocktails, bricks, caltrops (devices used to stop buses and other vehicles), shields and lockboxes, the affidavit said. They also planned to throw marbles under the horses of mounted police to trip the horses.
Pulling a single officer from a police line and beating them, using liquid sprayers filled with urine or chemicals, "unarresting" techniques to free people arrested by police, obtaining fake credentials.
Ken, do you know the difference between Deer nuts and Beer nuts? Beer nuts are usually $1.49 while Deer nuts are always under a buck.
I love hot republican women that are named Sarah, married to guys named Todd, are fmr. city council members, fmr. beauty queens and are pro-life, fiscally conservative, gun toting hockey moms!
Classy anon. Real classy. But now that you mention it he does do that with someone who fits that exact description.
WAR The Yodas
Welcome newbie. "WAR" is a comment made on the Jim Rome is Burning sports talk show where viewers submit comments that read, "WAR this or that". WAR means "mad props" or "I support" etc.
Again, clean up your verbage.
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