Thursday, March 27, 2008

………… so that Chet and Kevin can tax that milk.

Normally, bills that cannot pass out of the house and a Senate committee die in the proverbial Iowa “funnel week”. Our House Republicans have hung tough and blocked the bill in the House. Typically, the actual “rules” of the General Assembly would have saved Iowans from this most regressive of taxes.

But the Democrat/Social/Labor Party is wily. Gov. Culver and the legislative DSL leadership are not going to be deterred by rules or fair play in their lust for your money.

So the DSL
found a loophole. Next time you see a single mom at the bottom of the economy with a jug of milk, you think about Culver, McCarthy and the DSL idea of what is good for her, much less you.

29 comments:

RF said...

So when did a deposit become a tax? You take your bottle back, you get your money back. Nothing lost there. Also, at least in the previous deposit law expansion proposals milk containers were excluded. I haven't gone to check the current version in detail, but all the reporting is saying the expansion would include water, juices & sports drinks - not milk.

And speakin of facts vs. fiction, have you ever seen the statistics about container recycling rates in Iowa and our surrounding states with only curbside recycling? We are WAY ahead of those other states. Thus, it is clear that without the deposit law and only curbside programs, our recycling rates would plummet. Not something a conservation-minded real conservative would want. Plus, recycling containers saves tons of energy. At this point in time in history, I don't want to import any extra oil from the Middle East to make our water bottles. So improving our bottle bill is the patriotic thing to do.

Anonymous said...

This post is a new low in distortion. I couldn't figure out what you were talking about until I followed the link.

This is not a tax; it's a deposit. Besides the people support it! As usual, it is Republicans that are out of step.

And what has it got to do with milk? --Spotlight

The Real Sporer said...

You don't get your money back unless you truck your bottles somewhere. People are lazy or time stressed, or both, and need fewer rather than more hassles for the program to work. The economic benefit is an incentive I concede but does the incentive outweigh the hassle factor and the greater cost imposed on the consumers of raising the deposit cost. I don't think so.

The state is going to keep two of the ten cents. That is a tax. Much like the sales tax, it will start the spiral upward.

Finally, why do you assume that the only way to incent the public into greater recycling is taxation. How about something that creates a profit motive for mom/pop to set up neighborhood recycling pick up. They pay you and someone pays them a service fee, instead of us paying anything more to the government. You'd get far greater compliance (environmental goal met); far less intrusion (freedom goal met) and more jobs for income tax payers to occupy (economic/revenue goal met).

Gotta think outside the box if you want to hang in truly green party party of Theodore Rex.

vlad the impaler said...

Your friend John McKerry wants the US to pass a global test:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/27/mccain_proposes_new_global_coalition/

Anonymous said...

First of all, the bill that passed out of the Environmental Protection committee does NOT expand the bottle bill deposit to $.10. It keeps it at $.05.

Secondly, it doesn't scoop any of the deposit - it merely expands the types of containers covered.

Third, and finally, there will be an exemption included that exempts milk bottles.

Anonymous said...

Tax, fee, deposit = money out of my pocket into the pocket of chet culver.

It's all the same. Take money awawy from the people. Of course, republicans are against it and democrats are for it.

Forcing behavior through govt regulation and taxation is a how democrat like to be treated. They apparently don't trust themselves to behave if free.

Republicans are the freedom party and democrats are the fascist, or as they like to call it, progressive, party.

vlad the impaler said...

Republicans are the freedom party

ROFLMAO! The Republicans have not been the "freedom party" since Reagan.

What is "free" about a massive bureaucracy, out of control spending, new entitlements, government intrusion into health care, imprisoning border patrol agents, and kowtowing to China and Mexico?

RF said...

Sporer,

Your comments reflect perfectly today’s spoiled-brat conservative attitude. Since when have conservatives gotten so lazy they are not willing to take their bottles back to the store? You buy groceries on a regular basis, right? When push comes to shove, are you willing to personally sacrifice anything for the greater good? Or just so thrilled to keep buying that Mideastern oil?

Why would you go ahead and scrap an unusually effective, and popular, law, and engage in some wishful thinking about an unknown and unidentified fantasy of a better system? Show me that system, and we can discuss and evaluate it.

KenRichards said...

I want to loan (for free) my multi-line auto dialer to a worthy central Iowa Republican Candidate. I will evaluate responses and turn it over to the person/campaign showing the most promise rather than letting it sit unused this campaign season. Free is a great price and my only condition is they get used.

kenrichards.iowa@yahoo.com.

Anonymous said...

...On the Democratic side, the Iowa state party, buoyed by heavy investments from presidential candidates shelling out cash for voter databases that cost up to $100,000, leads the nation with $773,000 in hand for federal races.

OUCH! I wonder how our "fundraiser" is doing on the RPI side? If "Keg" Karney shows up at the district convention, can we ask him how we are doing against the competition?

How does he keep his job in light of such disastrous fundraising results?

Anonymous said...

I guess his standard percentage deal is enough to keep him happy. To bad he can't raise money without being paid to do so.

vlad the impaler said...

I sent RPI some McCain pesos. Does that add to your total?

Anonymous said...

it is a new tax...on water...on juice bottles...etc.

Anonymous said...

Wait until your Liberal Democrat hero McCain gets in bed with the Congress as President. You assholes ain't seen nothing yet!

Anonymous said...

Hey Ken, why don't you give your multi-dialer to your hero Mark Klein? Just be sure to set the thing so that it calls only you, your relatives, and any friends you might have twenty times over. That ought to make up for the way you unleashed that filth upon us in this blog, and the way you high jacked Ted's poll on behalf of that son of a bitch.

Anonymous said...

ANON 9:07--(aka Kim Schmett)
you are truly disturbed. the bottle bill is completely idiotic. i grocery shop all the time and the thing i hate the most is returning bottles...gee, its a lot of fun taking back a sack full of sticky cans for $0.45

Kim, and another thought....quit telling people Party Leadership recruited you...or, do you mean the democratic party?

Anonymous said...

Sporer for State Chair!
Brandmeyer for County Chair!

Anonymous said...

Butters for House!

RF said...

Anon 8:34,

I assume you are talking about my 9:07 post. I'm sorry to inform you that I'm not Kim Schmett. Just a long time D reader of this blog.

You must be one of those spoiled-brat conservatives. With people like you in his party, no wonder W never asked us to sacrifice anything. Obviously inconveniencing oneself for greater good is not something today's conservatives do.

Plus, my cans are never sticky. You haven't figured out how to operate a beverage container by now?

Anonymous said...

Republicans - the party of lazy bastards who don't give a crap about the environment. Teddy Roosevelt would be proud.
If you are too damn lazy to rinse out the cans or too damn tight to donate the 5 cents to a local charity it makes we wonder if you don't just wear adult diapers because you don't want to be burdened by doing laundry.
My God you guys are pathetic.

RF said...

Sporer,

Clearly you stepped into an issue here that you don't know too much about, or don't bother thinking about the facts. Reading your comment again, I see you said: "...instead of us paying anything more to the government." - Don't you realize the government does not get anything from the bottle deposit law. You pay your five cents and get it back (unless you are a conservative who can't handle an empty container). The distributor pays the entity collecting the containers (grocery store or other collection center) one cent per container for their trouble. None of that money goes to the government.

vlad the impaler said...

Conservatives are lazy? You don't see conservatives out protesting during the day because conservatives have these things called "jobs."

We work. We are productive members of society. We support the caterwauling freeloaders that comprise the liberal/Socialist/McCain voting base.

Anonymous said...

Vlad - you're an idiot. Those protestors "during the day" doesn't mean they aren't employed. They actually have the motivation to take a vacation day on those days. An if conservatives are too lazy to return cans and bottles, I wouldn't be surprised that they would be too lazy to go out and protest for a cause they believe in.
(That rally earlier in the year for same-sex marriage must have been a bunch of unemployed conservatives with nothing better to do)

Anonymous said...

Right...because they take "days off" paid for by their unions. Or, in the case of teachers, they're called "in-service days."

Give me a f*cking break.

Anonymous said...

You clearly don't know what the hell an "in service" day is. Pull your head out before you make a bigger ass of yourself.

vlad the impaler said...

(That rally earlier in the year for same-sex marriage must have been a bunch of unemployed conservatives with nothing better to do)

It was mainly a bunch of unctious religios and otherwise unemployable demogogues who performed the easy task of putting"reverend" in front of their names. I'm not big on people injecting religion into the public discourse.

The Real Sporer said...

I think that Vlad was talking about the organized anti-war or antiglobalization protests.

Unions, especially the teachers unions, do obtain paid time off to participate in anti Republican protests. The are very radical and conservatives better start taking them seriously.

Anonymous said...

I like you to prove that last comment Sporer. Give us specific examples. Otherwise you are a flat out liar.

Anonymous said...

Most teacher unions (and teachers) don't like the way Republicans tend to treat public education.

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