Tuesday, June 05, 2007

GOP Debate........Round 3 kicks off!

All right, kick off time!!! This should be a good one if Wolf brings it like he did with the Ds.

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Anonymous said...

Let's roll!

The Real Sporer said...

This is probably the last shootin' match that does not involve the Tennessee Hound Dog.

Billy Valentine said...

Live Blogging from the Brownback for President Iowa HQ in West Des Moines!

The Real Sporer said...

Tommy starts our sound funny, the candidate not the actor. Hee hee.

The Real Sporer said...

Rudy makes a good argument in the opening statement and Huckabee agains proves to be most loveable.

Anonymous said...

Give HOPE a chance ... a second Chance !!

B K

The Real Sporer said...

A very good answer on about the Iraq decision by Mitt out of the box.

A good reality check.

The Real Sporer said...

Knowing what you know now, stupid question.

If we had known that the blips on were Japanese planes would it have been a good idea to scramble fighters.

Anonymous said...

Wolf's choice about "what if" is a little sad

B K

Anonymous said...

10 - 4 Ted

B K

The Real Sporer said...

A very solid Iraq answer by Rudy also. Emphasizing the insanity of pretending that leaving Saddam in power was an option and throwing in the Ds child like answers on the war issues juxtaposed against reality.

Billy Valentine said...

Brownback offers a solution and plan for Iraq. That is much more productive then focusing on the past -- we need to focus on what is happening now and what will happen in the future.

Anonymous said...

Local guy wants to look forward .. a more meaningful question for the NEXT POTUS

B K

Anonymous said...

Let the local TV guy deliver the questions

B K

Anonymous said...

Three state Iraq will never work - it's a bad idea and was a bad idea six months ago when Tommy came up with it first.

There is NO way to share the oil, it's not cut into thirds. That'll cause even worse conflict.

The Real Sporer said...

For the unwashed masses "BK" is the Big Killer SCC member Gilbertson from Waterloo.

Anonymous said...

McCain has the war answer... when will the Big I show up???

B K

Billy Valentine said...

Did McCain just endorse Brownback's plan? Or at least is seriously considering it?

Anonymous said...

I have been outed by Ted :-(

B K

The Real Sporer said...

You are a celebrity guest my friend.

The Real Sporer said...

Oddly enough, in the Iraq has made the US less safe, I am curious as to the objective evidence of that conclusion.

Anonymous said...

Trying to fulfill the "Deace" role from last time, since Deace is still working

B K

Anonymous said...

Ditto the Ted comment re Ron Paul answer

B K

The Real Sporer said...

Huckabee's discussion of underestimating the threat was both exactly what our public needs to hear.

And expresed in a readily understandable.

Huckabee's most presidential moment of the campaign.

Billy Valentine said...

Its not Reagan's bday...

The Real Sporer said...

I'd prefer to let some Boeing and GE products do the talking to Iraq than Condi Rice.

Steve Deace said...

Thompson looks lucid and almost human tonight...so he's already off to a good start.

Billy Valentine said...

Great answer by Sen Brownback on Iran.

Anonymous said...

Agrees with Ted's idea of preparing for future economic development in Iraq, by laying the "groundwork" for the parking lots FIRST !!

K G

Billy Valentine said...

Hilarious, Steve

Anonymous said...

Did I hear "Bunker Buster"?? I will re-consider Wolf's question selection ability !

B K

Steve Deace said...

Huckabee needs to mobilize in Iowa to capitalize on his debate performances...he can win here. He needs to write off New Hampshire and fight for Iowa and South Carolina, where he really has a great shot.

Joe Fazio said...

Good answer Mitt....there IS a war going on....

The Real Sporer said...

Good comment by Mitt also. We do need to look at the big picture-but we also need to recognize its a war.

Billy Valentine said...

Immigration. Here we go.

Anonymous said...

Steve D - you TV ing and blogging too?? Liked your show today...lunch on Saturday ??

B K

Anonymous said...

The Big "I" is out and front and center

B K

Anonymous said...

Its a real shame that Tancredo takes his crusade against immigration so far that his main money backer is huge contributor and backer of planned parenthood.

The Real Sporer said...

Could you give Tommy Tanc a softer pitch than "what's wrong with the immigration deal".

I'm saying Hell Yes even as Tancredo is giving this answer, until he went cannibal on me.

Anonymous said...

KUDOS to Tancredo !!!

B K

Anonymous said...

Way to go Mitt!!

B K

The Real Sporer said...

I have a terrible belief that we are dissolving, and we are the last best hope for mankind.

Joe Fazio said...

There you go McCain.....simple. Immigration = National Security issue.....

The Real Sporer said...

Wolf is asking good questions in good order on immigration.

McCain is right, we cannot simply do nothing in the face of the immigration problem.

I do have a good idea-enforce all teh current laws to the max, including and perhaps especially against employers.

Anonymous said...

my friends

Anonymous said...

Anyone else going to lunch Saturday??

B K

The Real Sporer said...

Rudy's doing a good job of arguing. All of our Big 3 are sounding good thus far.

defeating john mcquisling is priority number one said...

John Petain does not care about national security. Why would he be willing to legalize jihadis?

We should see if the Vietnamese will take him back.

Anonymous said...

my friends

Anonymous said...

I propose a new candidaye enter the race for POTUS...My friend.. Mr Chairman of Polk County GOP - Ted Spore. What a FANTASTIC idea!!

B K

Joe Fazio said...

What a concept.....enforce existing laws? Say it isn't so!!!

Nice one Mitt!!

Billy Valentine said...

So Romney wants a temporary work program?

Anonymous said...

Points for Romney. Let's try enforcing our current laws before we write new ones.

Anonymous said...

Romney and Ted are right on regarding the present laws being enforced.

B K

The Real Sporer said...

Is Mitt reading the Real Sporer on a blackberry?

Anonymous said...

Duncan Hunter calls it as it is re the I issue

B K

Anonymous said...

I think he is Mr Chairman

B K

Anonymous said...

Hey Billy - You need to talk to Brownback's wardrobe people. That tie is hideous.

Anonymous said...

Both the Senators are supportive of the "I" compromise it seems.

B K

Anonymous said...

It does appear that T Thompson fired his previous debate coach and make-up person

B K

The Real Sporer said...

Brownback gave a better defense of the compromise bill than did McCain, which unfortunately for Sam probably helps McCain more by taking some pressure off the kettle.

The Real Sporer said...

Brownback gave a better defense of the compromise bill than did McCain, which unfortunately for Sam probably helps McCain more by taking some pressure off the kettle.

The Real Sporer said...

Brownback gave a better defense of the compromise bill than did McCain, which unfortunately for Sam probably helps McCain more by taking some pressure off the kettle.

The Real Sporer said...
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Billy Valentine said...

Both Senators understand the reality of Washington.

Sen. Brownback is going to wait and see the final version of the bill before supporting or opposing it, unlike political opportunists like Romney who opposed the bill probably before he even read it.

Anonymous said...

English the official language of US question, how will they answer??

B K

defeating john mccain is priority number one said...

Shut up John!

The Real Sporer said...

Clever debate strategy there by John McCain to gain extra time when they all agreed on teh official language.

The Real Sporer said...

I am disappointed that Huckabee isn't getting more time.

Anonymous said...

Mrs BK and I were just discussing that Ted

B K

Billy Valentine said...

Gilmore offers no real vision or agenda, just attacks.

Anonymous said...

Too bad Brownback is so pro-Mexico that if you hit him with a stick, little trinkets fall out of him.

Steve Deace said...

Don't worry...John McCain isn't going to be president. After essentially running for the job for a decade he's just 20% in the polls opposite one guy who's for killing babies, and another guy that was until like last week. McCain is toast.

Steve Deace said...

I'll have to skip that lunch...going to the NICHE Conference with the wife. Gotta make sure we're Rapture Ready.

Anonymous said...

U Had a fine show today S D - free lunch :-)

B K

Billy Valentine said...

You deserve it Rudy.

Your financial support of Planned Parenthood and your Pontius Pilate views are despicable.

He consults his religion? You're Catholic! Or should I say, "catholic."

Joe Fazio said...

I think McCain's presidential runs are just a hobby...

Steve Deace said...

Why is Rudy still a Catholic. If he doesn't want to abide by the Pope's instruction on infanticide become an Episcopalian instead.

Steve Deace said...

As long as McCain's not there, you bet. I like free food, but I only eat like salads now.

Billy Valentine said...

How come embryos "convinced" Romney to be pro-life but a fetus in the womb could not?

The Real Sporer said...

Am I the only one who has noticed that CNN seems to have a lot of technical problems during Republican events.

Renmember the word RAT during the VP debate (I believe).

Joe Fazio said...

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking....Huck....why is that even a question.......

Anonymous said...

A Huckabee question re evolution.
I appreciated Huckabee's stand-up answer.

B K

The Real Sporer said...

Great response to a stupid question about evolution.

I think he is giving a pretty good answer also.

You know, it so oversimplifies the debate.

Joe Fazio said...

Nice job Huck.......get off it Wolf...

Joe Fazio said...

Maybe Wolf decended from a primate....

The Real Sporer said...

Intellegent design does not exclude a divine creator setting the whole evolutionary process in action in the first place.

Steve Deace said...

Take that Joel Osteen. Mike Huckabee doesn't chuck and duck when it comes time to defend the faith. Well done, Mike!

Anonymous said...

Amen Steve

B K

Billy Valentine said...

Great job by Huckabee and Brownback on evolution.

Anonymous said...

Here is the obligatory Mormon question.

B K

The Real Sporer said...

A good defense on his LDS beliefs by Mitt.

Anonymous said...

Romney showed "stones" defending his faith, and assessing what some opponents have been hoping.

B K

The Real Sporer said...

Right on Ron Paul. Like Mike said, he's runnng for President not school board.

Joe Fazio said...

Yes we do Mitt....keep it domestic, separate from global dependance.....

Joe Fazio said...

Profits should go towards company's R&D and maintenance...they shouldn't rely upon gov't subsidies for that.

The Real Sporer said...

I would really like to hear one candidate in either party say with far more specificity how they will get us 100% independent of imported oil in 7-10 years.

The Real Sporer said...

Great job by Huckabee of drawing attention to the failure to ask him questions about something other than "social" issues.

Anonymous said...

Paul and Huckabee answered well regarding gays in the military.

B K

Joe Fazio said...

Homosexuality in the military is not about personal decision and rights.....it is pure and simple logistics. It is difficult as it is to have separate barracks/latrines to keep men/women separate.....try adding a third tier to that element....nightmare....

Anonymous said...

I think the Wolfster IS INDEED biasing his questions of Governor Huckabee

B K

The Real Sporer said...

Right on Rudy of saying that now is not really the time to worry about gays in the military.

I think that we need talk about the bigger issues.

The Real Sporer said...

..........good for Mitt also, what a stupid question.

Anonymous said...

Right on Ted. War on Terror,the Big "I" and energy independence are the issues in my mind.

B K

Joe Fazio said...

I don't believe that it is against military policy to have gay contract linguists.......

The Real Sporer said...

Who cares how one would use GW Bush?

Anonymous said...

I think that the question about how you will use W if you are elected is absurd. I believe that I will make my voting decision based on THAT answer. RIGHT ???

B K

Anonymous said...

Tancredo and Thompson, the present, seem much more with it this time.

B K

Joe Fazio said...

That was an intermission question....

Billy Valentine said...

These are horrible questions by CNN.

Anonymous said...

Huckabee gives a straight answer about what happened last fall. Like his assessment of what Congress has done or rather not done re the Big "I"

B K

Anonymous said...

They are bad Billy

Steve Deace said...

Wow...Huckabee is allowed to talk about something other than evolution? Oh goodness, another Scooter Libby question. Who freaking cares?

The Real Sporer said...

I hope Duncan Hunter takes this time to blast the 'Rat liars like Plame and Wilson.

Disappointed for the first time, although the rest of the answer was good, if off topic.

Anonymous said...

Steve - I did not have sexual relations with that woman!! No jail time for the Slickster.

B K

Steve Deace said...

Best thing I can say about this debate is it doesn't suck as much as Chris Matthews did. No one should answer this question. They should stand up and refuse the premise and point out how stupid Wolf is for even asking it.

Billy Valentine said...

Just say yes or no Rudy so we can move on to a new question.

The Real Sporer said...

Good for Rudy, defending the pure bullshit.

Too bad Wolf you don't get a yes or no.

Rudy just gained a lot of esteem in my opinion!

The Real Sporer said...

Good for Mitt also. Way to man it up.

Anonymous said...

Mine too Ted

B K

Billy Valentine said...

Questions should get tremendously better.

Steve Deace said...

Good answer by Thompson. Never a bad thing to throw Bubba under the bus.

Anonymous said...

Ted - As a debate coach I am sure you were impressed with the YES/NO question. Wolf is akin to Christy Matthews from MSNBC

B K

The Real Sporer said...

Rudy was the manly man on that issue-he showed the first big pair since he slapped Ron Paul silly in the first debate.

Steve Deace said...

Another good thing about this debate...Sean "groupie" Hannity doesn't have a backstage pass to "work over" the GOP candidates one by one. He'll have to get his jellybeans tonight from somewhere else, I guess.

Steve Deace said...

Is it just me...or is Hillary trying to lose the election by saying stuff like "some people will need to have things taken away." That stuff never plays...that's easy to demagogue, and the Left loses almost every time they try it.

Anonymous said...

Gilmore is clearly giving the best, most detailed responses on international relations

Billy Valentine said...

Steve, apparently Fred Thompson will be on Hannity tonight.

Joe Fazio said...

OK...now for some "good" questions....

Steve Deace said...

In that case, here's hoping Fred leaves a mint on Sean's pillow afterwards.

The Real Sporer said...

Do you think one question from the crowd will come from a REpublican?

The Real Sporer said...

Could you think they could have found more of a Democrat shill than this shameless exploitation of personal tragedy.

The Real Sporer said...

Could you think they could have found more of a Democrat shill than this shameless exploitation of personal tragedy.

Steve Deace said...

No...but it's a good test of how you face up to scrutiny. If you can't handle housewives in New Hampshire, you won't be able to handle Bill Clinton's wife.

Joe Fazio said...

Nice answer Hunter.

The Real Sporer said...

Good point.

Good answer of beginning to explain what victory means in Iraq.

Steve Deace said...

Wow...that is a hideous tie Brownback is wearing. Lime green? Who suggested that, Lou Holtz?

Steve Deace said...

This is ridiculous...the idea that you can define how to achieve the peace in Iraq in 30 seconds is asinine.

The Real Sporer said...

Hunter did give a good answer....glad the guy whose kid is a war hero.

The Real Sporer said...

Hunter did give a good answer....glad the guy whose kid is a war hero.

Billy Valentine said...

Brownback offers real solutions to Iraq. I hear a lot of talk from the other candidates, but no plans of any substance. If I am wrong, please correct me.

defeating john mcquisling is priority number one said...

These guys don't get it. People who have to be persuaded to be free, don't deserve to be free. If the Iraqis are unwilling to help, screw them. Let them rot and move on to Iran!

The Real Sporer said...

The smart candidate will also spend a little time talking about the consequences of defeat.

McCain just did.

Joe Fazio said...

Unnecessary vs. pointless....tread lightly McCain......

Steve Deace said...

This is the one issue that I completely agree with McCain on. If he becomes president, the new theme song of the Middle East will be, "They blew up my mosque and put up a parking lot."

The Real Sporer said...

Good question.

They just shouldn't let Ron Paul talk about Iraq. He couldn't be more wrong and he's so smart on so many other issues.

Steve Deace said...

Brownback's plan is eventually what will happen...and the Bush administration will start pushing it later in the year.

Anonymous said...

Mccain has always done a pretty good job about the consequences of defeat in Iraq.

B K

The Real Sporer said...

Bomb Teheran, bomb Teheran.

A plane load of bombs from a B-52 would turn that city into Hamburg circa 1945 and we'd let the monsters understand what it means to really, really anger Americans.

The Real Sporer said...

The words for which I search are "smoldering ruin"

Steve Deace said...

Well, Paul is right about one thing. You can't impose freedom on people. We're trying to give self-governance to a group of people whose worldview doesn't accept the concept of free will. Good luck with that.

However, Rudy is right. Now we have a responsibility to finish what we started. And McCain is right, if we pull out, there will be a genocide there of mass proportion and it will become a proxy for terrorists.

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Steve Deace said...

Conservation? Conservation? Are you freaking kidding me? Conservation? Go back to the bon bons and Ellen re-runs.

defeating john mcquisling is priority number one said...

John Petain talks a good game but he is willing to give amnesty to jihadis and co-authored the Al Qaeda Bill of Rights.

He will NOT win the war.

The Real Sporer said...

Has anyone noticed that not one Democrat discussed the consequences of defeat in Iraq beyond the troops coming home.

Anonymous said...

The Brownback solution that he stole from Tommy is WRONG. Talk about instability - you think they will allow the oil to be divided by a third for each state? GIVE ME A BREAK! Mass chaos.

The Real Sporer said...

A smart explanation of conservatism's easy marriage to conservationism if we just would push the issue.

WE can capture a lot ground on the Ds if we just don't run from the issue.

Steve Deace said...

I don't believe any of the top three can beat Hillary, because they don't have the consistent record of conservativism that can cast Hillary as the Leftist she really is. That's why the GOP needs Thompson (a stealth candidate with a flimsy record so he's tough to attack) or to seriously look at someone in the second tier: Huckabee, Brownback, or Tancredo.

Steve Deace said...

I meant Fred Thompson.

PD said...

Darn this thing is half over... Sorry I'm late.

Rudy is right on about health insurance, people need to cover themselves, so that when they change jobs, move or whatever, it goes with them.

Great Answer Rudy

The Real Sporer said...

Here's a good tax break. Credits for personal windmills, solar roofs and corn or other bio-home furnaces.

We Republican capitalists would make a killing.

Anonymous said...

what are you smoking deace? This country would never elect Tancredo

Anonymous said...

Steve - Can a sitting senator or congressman win it??

B K

Steve Deace said...

Is it just me or does Hunter seem warmer in this format than he does from a podium?

The Real Sporer said...

You know, the dissing of Huckabee cannot be mere inadvertance.

It is so obvious.

Steve Deace said...

If Tancredo runs as an independent on the immigration compromise, if they pass it (which I think they will), he could win electoral votes in places like Texas and Arizona. He couldn't win the presidency, but he do to the GOP what George Wallace did the Democrats on segregation.

The Real Sporer said...

I agree deacer. this is his best showing.

God knows, he looks like the President.

The Real Sporer said...

I agree deacer. this is his best showing.

God knows, he looks like the President.

pd said...

Everytime a lib wants to expand goverment, conservatives should propose a tax credit as an alternative.

Anonymous said...

BK, Can a mayor win it?

The Real Sporer said...

At last, the Real Tommy Thompson. He just needed to talk about health care.

Steve Deace said...

A congressman perhaps, because the GOP Congress didn't totally put their nuts in a jar when they had power. The senate is so out of touch with red state America, no matter who is in power, that I would say no. Plus, sitting senators don't typically win the presidency.

defeating john mcquisling is priority number one said...

Where does the right to health care fall under the Constitution?

Romney should have an interesting answer. He socialized the Massachussetts healh system.

The Real Sporer said...

right on pd!!!

The REal Sporer is going to push that hard.

The market is magical in its transformative powers.

Anonymous said...

Iowa caucus goers need to have the nuts to support a tancredo or huckabee, to show the rest of the nation that yes, a true conservative can win.

Steve Deace said...

APB on Huckabee...or are we waiting for the one Jehovah's Witness in the audience to get his shot at pigeon-holing him?

Billy Valentine said...

The problem with Huckabee is that he isn't trustworthy on fiscal issues. The problem with Tancredo is he is on a single-issue crusade. Brownback has a consistent conservative record on both social and fiscal issues, and isn't as tied to the war as the top three are (which is good for the general).

Additionally, Brownback would rally social conservatives, and fiscal conservatives, once examining his record (see Club for Growth report), and his endorsement of the optional flat tax and private social security accounts, would rally behind him as well.

I don't think Tancredo or Huckabee can do that.

With regards to Fred Thompson, there is no singular issue he is strong on, which worries me in terms of the party being able to rally behind him.

Anonymous said...

Not sure Anon 7:30

But as the D's are trying a "Rock Star" mayor might??

B K

Steve Deace said...

I fear that Iowa conservatives/orthodox Christians are so sold out to the political process that they don't have the cojones to do what you're calling for. It's probably going to take a total defeat, and the desperation that would create, to get them there.

The Real Sporer said...

Good question from the philosphy prof.

Huckabee is pissed and deservedly so. He isn't running for Bishop or Sainthood.

But he is giving a brilliant answer. He is also able to work in a foreign policy answer. Good job.

It also shows the difference between us and the evil of jihadism.

Anonymous said...

Several months ago I heard a pretty good rebuttal to Huckabee's fiscal/tax issues. Sounded to me that someone from Club For Growth perhaps had an issue with Huckabee.

B K

Steve Deace said...

I disagree on your characterization on Huckabee. When the Club for Growth came out with its report on him, I had him on the show and refuting every one of their claims one-by-one.

I like Sam, too, but he also has a credibility question on immigration with conservatives.

The Real Sporer's Mother said...

After watching over an hour, I've decided I still like all of those good old Republicans (except one, that is). Don't forget what you learned at your Mother's knee!

Joe Fazio said...

Paul doesn't understand Islam....

The Real Sporer said...

I wonder if Congressman Paul is aware of the Mexican and Spanish American Wars.

Iran has done no harm to us?
No threat?

Where on earth has he been living. They've been attacking us since the hostage were seized in 79.

Steve Deace said...

One difference between Huckabee and the Club for Growth...unlike its founder, Grover Norquist, he's not soft on Islam.

Anonymous said...

B K's memory ..... I think it was on your show thatI heard that Steve. And, I suppose it was a few weeks ago rather than months ago.

B K

defeating john mcquisling is priority number one said...

Ron Paul sounds like Gerald Ford when he was talking about the countries behind the iron curtain not being oppressed.

Anonymous said...

Deace - Why wouldn't they have a problem with Brownback on immigration? He helped to craft the initial amnesty bill last session. Ouch.

The Real Sporer said...

Mamma-I'm sorry for swearing. I will say "P-Od" in the future.

Anonymous said...

Deace,

I don't think all the Christian Conservatives have sold out, however, I think some of the people they have supported, and some of their leaders have sold them down the river. What we need more than anything is new leadership of the social conservatives.

It could be you, but you seem happy to bitch about a few, not lead...

Steve Deace said...

Yes, it was...it was a 30-minute conversation...he was good...refuted it point-by-point.

Anonymous said...

Flip-Flop question coming.

B K

The Real Sporer said...

I am going to track Mark Lucas' story about Huckabee and the Fair Tax and cite that later tonight.

Steve Deace said...

See...Brownback just made a mistake there, in my opinion. If the life issue is so important, why would you support someone who in the past has advocated public funding of abortion and was for partial birth infanticide? That was a chance for Sam to hit one out of the part, and club Rudy like a baby seal, and he punted.

First rule of politics, don't hit what you won't kill. Second rule, when you attack don't pull up because you'll get no credit for showing restraint.

Joe Fazio said...

Just tell the guy that you can't learn English overnight Mitt!!!

deace is better than limbaugh said...

Deace doesn't shill for the Republicans.

The Real Sporer said...

MItt Romney is talking the language of Republicans!

Progress throgh profit, and emphasizing the optimistic opportunities of our future.

Steve Deace said...

Social conservatism does need new leadership. But before people realize that they need to be confronted with the despair of their current situation.

Anonymous said...

Ban answer by Romney. He's not answering the question.

Tancredo gave an good answer, and McCain is funny.

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